I need to vent....

[SmartyBeardo]

Spyder Wrote:

SmartyBeardo Wrote:

Spyder Wrote:

SmartyBeardo Wrote:The Occupy organizers know quite well that "Wall Street" is largely symbolic.

Organizers...wait a minute, I thought that it was a grassroots movement?

...I'm kidding, I never thought that, but that was the message that they were sending. In fact, that is really the ONLY message that they are sending. But somehow it's everyone else...the media included...that's responsible for making Occupy's message clear?

And that's where the real crux of the "movement" lays...Occupy's one true belief is that everybody else owes them something, and they shouldn't have to do anything to get it.

What does whether or not there are organizers have to do with it being grassroots.

Do you consider the Koch brothers financed Tea Party Movement grassroots?

Why do so many of you choose to defend the fucks who knowingly fucked you and this whole country in the ass? Why would you go to such great lengths to defend a tiny group of worthless fuck CEOs who knowingly created a worthless market and circle jerked it into a $50 trillion nightmare?

What good is it to have corporations that are too big to allow to fail?

What good is it to give giant multi-national corporations the same rights as individuals without the same responsibilities?

What good is it to allow corporations to donate unlimited funds to political parties and individuals anonymously under the guise of free speech?

But you sit there condemning people who have shed light on the situation. Some may be shiftless. Some may be dirty. But, I know many professionals who have taken part. I know many conservatives who have taken the time to go see what is actually going on. They never come back with the same perspective.

If by condemn, you mean make fun of and ridicule in jest for being smelly bums...yes, I am 100% guilty of that. Now I'm not a bully, so I would never go down there to make fun of the smelly people hanging out in tents by the riverwalk...but I do chuckle at their ridiculousness when I see them on TV or on the internet. The ever sanitary OWS crowd is free to do whatever the fuck they want within the rule of law...do they contribute anything to society? Nope, but that's completely up to them.

The difference between them and me is that I know the rules of the game, and I choose to play and win that game. They think that they know the rules, but rather than playing it to win...they'd rather win without playing, or change the rules entirely to whatever suits them. It's like playing a game with kids that constantly change the rules when they start losing.

I live in Tampa, and from what I saw walking my daughter through the sea of funky tents on the way to the Children's Museum...I completely concur with gravytrain's assessment of them.

Now, do I agree with the bail outs? HELL no...that's the same change the game bullshit that OWS is talking about, only in favor of the guys that normally win. Should corporations have the same rights as individuals...I think so. They're built and run by individuals, so why should those peoples' rights be stripped of them because they dared to do something great? Should they have the same responsibilities...yup. That's just the nature of individual rights and freedoms.

I don't agree with almost everything that comes out of the OWS protesters for the simple fact that I'm a winner. Not that I'm better than anyone else...so don't try to play me like some kind of arrogant asshole...but I play to win. I study and learn the rules of the game, and then I try my best to succeed. I don't cheat, I don't begrudge anyone else of their successes, I don't hinder anyone else from succeeding...I do what I need to do to provide for myself and my family. I bought a home at the beginning of the housing bubble, and I sold it after the crash...I didn't foreclose, I didn't short sale, I didn't make a dime...I walked away after owning a home for 8 years with zero equity.

After that, I didn't go out stinking up the streets screaming the names Frank and Dodd for letting Freddie and Fannie slide...Nope...I went out and bought another home that better suited the needs of my family.

The spirit of the American people...the willingness to succeed against overwhelming odds...that's what drove this country to be great. Not this bunch of do-nothings that only want shit handed to them without putting in the hard work to get it.

Sorry for the rant...I've been drinking a little tonight whilst catching up with an old friend.

So you have managed to lump the whole movement into "a bunch of do nothings."

You seriously need to pull your head out of your ass. It isn't a very decent point of view.

The movement has already accomplished a lot, for better or worse.

A corporation is an entity created by people, it is not people. What you are essentially agreeing to is super personhood. The fact is that significant percentages of most major corporations are owned by people who are not American citizens.

According to the rules of the game as they have evolved, those foreign people can have significant effect on the political process through their corporate personhood by exercising their freedom of speech with unlimited $$$$.

Why shouldn't these occupy types exercise their power to attempt to change the rules to what they perceive would be a more fair playing field? You talk about how you play by the rules but the fact is that the power elite and corporate fascists only play by the rules as long as they feel it is in their interests. If not, they simply ignore or circumvent the rules.

I'm not asking you or Meth or anyone else to think like me. I'm only suggesting that you look at what has been going on from more than one perspective. But, if as I suspect you aren't actually interested in knowing what is really happening or you don't care as long as you are on the winning team, well, then please be my guest and keep your heads secure in your own asses.

Capitalism is a game. The corporate fascists are not interested in playing by the rules of the game unless they have written the rules. They are not interested in competition. They are not interested in risk. They are interested in complete control. They are interested in completing a vertical edifice of power not unlike that which currently exists in Russia. They are interested in a neo-feudalist world model that secures all power in geo-regions to the corporate fascist elite. They are not interested in the rest of the world becoming like us. They are interested in cementing control of their geo-region.

This is what is happening. I don't blame you for keeping your heads up your ass and ignoring it. But why condemn those who refuse to ignore it?

If you would like to go down the rabbit hole I will be your guide. If not, enjoy the view.