I need to vent....

[SmartyBeardo]

Method Wrote:

SmartyBeardo Wrote:So that is your argument? A couple of vids of a couple of people? An accusation that they are as ignorant as the majority of Americans? A simplified and skewed version of the budget?

That's Fucking it?

You are the one who is clueless. The Occupy movement has effected every aspect of American life. It has moved the conversation. It has informed the people of their power. It has revealed the naked greed that got us here.

Whether every person there is informed, whether I agree or disagree with what they are doing, makes 0 difference. The game is changing.

Not at all. By any stretch. But what would you like me to do, inundate what has been a great thread with vid after vid after vid? I posted a couple. They're really NOT hard to find. Two of thousands. I think more telling was the New York Mag polls of the OWS morons that predominantly dont know shit from shinola. But whatever. Im the guy that has my head up my ass when the majority of the OWS protestors has no idea what Dodd-Frank is, what the Volker Rule is, that we spend more on pension and healthcare than we do military and education, who runs the fed, who Ben Bernanke is, etc. etc. Yeah. I'm the guy w my head up, my ass, the uninformed.

Quote:Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd

In interviews, protesters show that they are leftists out of step with most American voters. Yet Democrats are embracing them anyway.

By DOUGLAS SCHOEN

President Obama and the Democratic leadership are making a critical error in embracing the Occupy Wall Street movement?and it may cost them the 2012 election.

Last week, senior White House adviser David Plouffe said that "the protests you're seeing are the same conversations people are having in living rooms and kitchens all across America. . . . People are frustrated by an economy that does not reward hard work and responsibility, where Wall Street and Main Street don't seem to play by the same set of rules." Nancy Pelosi and others have echoed the message.

Yet the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people?and particularly with swing voters who are largely independent and have been trending away from the president since the debate over health-care reform.

The protesters have a distinct ideology and are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies. On Oct. 10 and 11, Arielle Alter Confino, a senior researcher at my polling firm, interviewed nearly 200 protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park. Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion.

Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.

The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%).

An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote.

Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren't represented by any political party.

James Taranto on President Obama's Wall Street ties and protesters' disenchantment with the Democratic party.

What binds a large majority of the protesters together?regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education?is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.

Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement?no matter the cost. By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor. And by a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%).

Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation. Among the general public, by contrast, 41% of Americans self-identify as conservative, 36% as moderate, and only 21% as liberal. That's why the Obama-Pelosi embrace of the movement could prove catastrophic for their party.

In 1970, aligning too closely with the antiwar movement hurt Democrats in the midterm election, when many middle-class and working-class Americans ended up supporting hawkish candidates who condemned student disruptions. While that 1970 election should have been a sweep against the first-term Nixon administration, it was instead one of only four midterm elections since 1938 when the president's party didn't lose seats.
With the Democratic Party on the defensive throughout the 1970 campaign, liberal Democrats were only able to win on Election Day by distancing themselves from the student protest movement. So Adlai Stevenson III pinned an American flag to his lapel, appointed Chicago Seven prosecutor Thomas Foran chairman of his Citizen's Committee, and emphasized "law and order"?a tactic then employed by Ted Kennedy, who denounced the student protesters as "campus commandos" who must be repudiated, "especially by those who may share their goals."

Today, having abandoned any effort to work with the congressional super committee to craft a bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction, President Obama has thrown in with those who support his desire to tax oil companies and the rich, rather than appeal to independent and self-described moderate swing voters who want smaller government and lower taxes, not additional stimulus or interference in the private sector.
Rather than embracing huge new spending programs and tax increases, plus increasingly radical and potentially violent activists, the Democrats should instead build a bridge to the much more numerous independents and moderates in the center by opposing bailouts and broad-based tax increases.
Put simply, Democrats need to say they are with voters in the middle who want cooperation, conciliation and lower taxes. And they should work particularly hard to contrast their rhetoric with the extremes advocated by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.

Mr. Schoen, who served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton, is author of "Hopelessly Divided: The New Crisis in American Politics and What It Means for 2012 and Beyond," forthcoming from Rowman and Littlefield.

Alright, first of all, I want to apologize for saying you and Spyder have your heads up your asses. You both are obviously intelligent people with developed perspectives. The problem I have is that those perspectives have been severely limited by the international corporate fascist tilt to the right that has gone on in this country for at least 3 decades but actually since the end of WWII.

Thanks for the article that you posted Meth. It is a good one that does not surprise me at all. Notice how the article portrays them as radical leftists and out of touch. What they are at their core is the new counter balance, ballast if you will. They are the group that is awakening the middle to the fact that thanks to the international corporate takeover of mass media and the concentration of $$$$ and power that has happened in the last 30 years we as a nation have lost our balance and are in danger of sinking.

It actually goes back to The Revolution in America and much farther overall. The reason this country came into being was much more than Taxation Without Representation. The fight was against the concentration of power and $$$$ into the hands of one giant corporation, the figurehead of which was the King of England.

From the beginning the battle was over how power would be distributed in the USA. From the beginning the struggle was between those who favored individual rights and those who favored corporate power.

The battle can be studied in the debates between the founders over the years. the evidence is in the very organization of the country through 1st the Articles of Confederation and then the Constitution.

What you need to understand is that there is a group who was loyal to the crown and the British West Indies Corporation that literally still exists to this day. They were fascists before the term was ever made popular by Mussolini. They have formed a world alliance that has been busy overturning the results of WWII.

I know them. I have worked for them. Whether you like it or not, whether you think you have mastered their game or not, they are your family's enemy, not the "radical leftists" occupying shit.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a supporter of the true radical left. The true radical left is a mirror image of the International Corporate Fascist Movement. Both roads lead to totalitarianism. Both roads lead to your children being serfs.

The International Corporate Fascist Movement attempted to organize a coup d tat in the early 30s v FDR. Their mistake was they recruited the wrong man, USMC Major General Smedley Butler, a true American hero who lived to wear 2 Medals of Honor. The plan was for Butler to lead a military takeover, bloodless as possible, and he would be the interim dictator until the group was able to put one of their ilk into position. Butler blew the lid on the conspiracy. He was derided by the power elite through the media for the rest of his life.

George W Bush's grandfather was one of the conspirators.

USMC Major General Smedley Butler spawned a small group dedicated to defeating the International Corporate Fascist Movement from within. We have been losing the real war as of late. But we keep getting up off the canvass, kind of like JMM or Kirkland or Joe Frazier. We don't quit.

It is easy and comfortable to be on the team that appears to be winning. The problem with your team is they eventually make you all waterboys.

USMC Major General Smedley Butler learned that lesson and formed a team before he died. We believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. We have sworn to fight to the death to defend and restore it.

On that note, I am taking an extended trip soon. It is time to stir the shit.

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm