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***ViperSniper*** · (This post was last modified: 03-03-2017 12:45 PM by ViperSniper.)

I'm ALL for a fighter owning his division & cleaning it up too. However GGG/team did claimed they could beat anyone from 160-175, as noone wants to fight.

It's true Golovkin has been ducked, while also fighting in a weak division. By saying that though, they have also denied challenges from fighters like Lara & Ward who both put their hand up. Ward was top 3 best in the world & Lara was a highly respected fighter that was more talented or accomplished than anyone Golovkin had face then or even now.

I don't blame Golovkin hunting for Cotto or Canelo, cause why wouldn't you. But Lara would have been a bigger fight than any other opponents and Ward is a better p4p fighter than both Cotto or Canelo..they just don't offer the highest paycheck.

Golovkin really shouldn't have been too picky considering his situation and the weak competition in his division. If he didn't want to fight Ward, he should have at least fought Lara.

Either or, the Jacobs fight is one of the most interesting fight so far for Golovkin. Should be fun.

***Snoop*** · 03-03-2017, 12:25 PM

(03-03-2017 09:19 AM)ViperSniper Wrote: Either or, the Jacobs fight is one of the most interesting fight so far for Golovkin. Should be fun.

Exactly. Aside from Canelo, this is probably the best fight at MW and a legitimate one. I don't really see why there's all this sudden criticism of GGG.

***blackbelt2003*** · 03-03-2017, 01:44 PM

(03-03-2017 09:19 AM)ViperSniper Wrote: I'm ALL for a fighter owning his division & cleaning it up too. However GGG/team did claimed they could beat anyone from 160-175, as noone wants to fight.

It's true Golovkin has been ducked, while also fighting in a weak division. By saying that though, they have also denied challenges from fighters like Lara & Ward who both put their hand up. Ward was top 3 best in the world & Lara was a highly respected fighter that was more talented or accomplished than anyone Golovkin had face then or even now.

I don't blame Golovkin hunting for Cotto or Canelo, cause why wouldn't you. But Lara would have been a bigger fight than any other opponents and Ward is a better p4p fighter than both Cotto or Canelo..they just don't offer the highest paycheck.

Golovkin really shouldn't have been too picky considering his situation and the weak competition in his division. If he didn't want to fight Ward, he should have at least fought Lara.

Either or, the Jacobs fight is one of the most interesting fight so far for Golovkin. Should be fun.

Hopkins claimed he could fight at heavyweight and beat a heavyweight champion, too, but I wouldn't hold it against him that he didn't back it up. Fighters and their teams say all types of shit.

I agree with you about Lara, though. That would have been a perfectly acceptable fight for GGG to take, legacy-wise, and would have been a terrific notch on his middleweight reign.

Black

***Snoop*** · 03-03-2017, 02:00 PM

(03-03-2017 01:44 PM)blackbelt2003 Wrote: Hopkins claimed he could fight at heavyweight and beat a heavyweight champion, too, but I wouldn't hold it against him that he didn't back it up. Fighters and their teams say all types of shit.

I agree with you about Lara, though. That would have been a perfectly acceptable fight for GGG to take, legacy-wise, and would have been a terrific notch on his middleweight reign.

Black

Lara would have been a good fight.

***Dickagon*** · 03-03-2017, 05:18 PM

Boxing has been full of fighters undersized for their division. Don't create excuses for him. Sugar Ray Robinson was Floyd's size and dominated the mw division then fought the lhw champ and offered to fight the hw champ. No one expects Golovkin to do that. A cw between Golovkin and Ward would be fair. None of you complain when he fights some blown up jmw. Ward even took on the lhw champ.

What has he done without Ward? He could've fought him and stayed at 160. It could've been above 160 and below 168, they could've split the difference. Maybe he's so confused about his Mexican heritage that he wants to do a Chavez and be undefeated in 100 exhibition fights. Mw has been dead for a long time and he's no desire to fight anyone that isn't a very winnable fight for him. As Viper pointed out he refused to fight Lara as well. Can he only fight hittable smaller dudes and the limited fighters 160 has to offer? Golovkin isnt killing ppvs, he needs help. He's needed help. Canelo doesn't want to fight him, he needs to explore other options. If he wants to be a mainstream fighter he needs to get over himself and win hard fights.

Ward was a hard fight. Ward is a man that cleaned out 168, dominated the best dude at 175 then moved up to 175 and got a win over Kovalev. Golovkin told Ward not to build a career off of his name when his fight with Jacobs is actually quality opposition relative to his career. Jacobs has been beating the Moras and Quillins of the world.

***Snoop*** · (This post was last modified: 03-03-2017 08:10 PM by Snoop.)

(03-03-2017 05:18 PM)Dickagon Wrote: Boxing has been full of fighters undersized for their division. Don't create excuses for him. Sugar Ray Robinson was Floyd's size and dominated the mw division then fought the lhw champ and offered to fight the hw champ. No one expects Golovkin to do that. A cw between Golovkin and Ward would be fair. None of you complain when he fights some blown up jmw. Ward even took on the lhw champ.

What has he done without Ward? He could've fought him and stayed at 160. It could've been above 160 and below 168, they could've split the difference. Maybe he's so confused about his Mexican heritage that he wants to do a Chavez and be undefeated in 100 exhibition fights. Mw has been dead for a long time and he's no desire to fight anyone that isn't a very winnable fight for him. As Viper pointed out he refused to fight Lara as well. Can he only fight hittable smaller dudes and the limited fighters 160 has to offer? Golovkin isnt killing ppvs, he needs help. He's needed help. Canelo doesn't want to fight him, he needs to explore other options. If he wants to be a mainstream fighter he needs to get over himself and win hard fights.

Ward was a hard fight. Ward is a man that cleaned out 168, dominated the best dude at 175 then moved up to 175 and got a win over Kovalev. Golovkin told Ward not to build a career off of his name when his fight with Jacobs is actually quality opposition relative to his career. Jacobs has been beating the Moras and Quillins of the world.

I mean again, I agree with you that Ward would have been the biggest challenge for GGG, but I don't hold it against him for not taking it. If he made some statements that he would then didn't, then yeah, that's kinda dumb. But in terms of him as an individual and not in terms of his obligations of being the best MW in boxing. I don't think it's really valid to say something like he "ducked" Ward, because Ward isn't in his division. I think in terms of MW, he's taken on just about everyone except Canelo, and that's not really his fault IMO.

For Lara, yeah, maybe, but Lara is also a division below him, so I don't really consider him "ducking" anyone if they're not in his division. And I disagree about nobody giving him shit about Kell Brook. I think a lot of people found it kind of hypocritical for him to talk so much about Canelo fighting Khan, then take Brook in his next fight. At least I did.

***Spyder*** · 03-03-2017, 08:28 PM

Lara would be an interesting fight for GGG. It would definitely be more competitive than a Ward fight.

Someday the fight with Ward will materialize, but I don't expect it until Ward slows down a bit.

***Dickagon*** · 03-03-2017, 08:49 PM

That doesn't mean he's ducking him. It means Golovkin is comfortable with who he's fighting and doesn't want the challenge of a strong jmw or smw. Lara is alright but Ward would've been and will be the best fighter he'll ever fight.

***JONdaCON*** · 03-03-2017, 10:01 PM

GGG looked like a ducc after he called out everyone from 147 to 168.. but then was specific about which guy in each division...

Only Floyd at 47... but Canelo only at 160.. Froch or JCC jr at 68 but not Ward... im not with that hypocritical, ill fight in any division if its convenient BS.

***ViperSniper*** · 03-03-2017, 10:42 PM

(03-03-2017 01:44 PM)blackbelt2003 Wrote: Hopkins claimed he could fight at heavyweight and beat a heavyweight champion, too, but I wouldn't hold it against him that he didn't back it up. Fighters and their teams say all types of shit.

I agree with you about Lara, though. That would have been a perfectly acceptable fight for GGG to take, legacy-wise, and would have been a terrific notch on his middleweight reign.

Black

True. I guess the difference with Hopkins & Golovkin is that Hopkins made that statement after he had already left Middleweight nor was he turning down credible opponents because he couldn't get big money fights. Hopkins continued doing what he was doing and forced/convinced fighters to sign the contract.

Hopkins had already established himself as a true elite fighter and due to his age & defensive style made it a big incentive to challenge him..where as GGG unfortunately didn't have those perks to him, nor would he be considered a safe/winnable fight. So GGG really is in a tough spot. I believe he/his team should have not said anything, stay put and keep winning.

I don't hold it against GGG for not moving out of his division to add to his legacy but it's either one or the other. If he wanted fights with Cotto/Canelo..fair enough, I don't think he could have done things any differently at Middleweight. It's fucked that neither guy wanted any part of GGG..and it was/is clear as day.

I got a feeling Golovkin won't get his big opportunity until he shows signs of slowing/aging or when Canelo out grows him. He isn't that young in age and time is running out for him to make his career as big as his potential. Unfortunately GGG may very well end his career without that big win if he continues getting avoided at this rate.