Mayweather fights on May 5th

[the ollie reed fan club]

JONdaCON Wrote:i agree 100%... i think you hit all the points... Cottos is a patient fighter, that alone gives him a leg up on the competition... hes doesnt get frustrated and you cant get in his head.... those reasons alone i think Cotto is a better and more repectable fight.... he keeps his guard up so i dont see May potshotting him all night.. and i do believe Cotto his a good pressure fighter but stylisticly if i had to Create a fighter to beat Mayweather he'd have many of Cottos attributes previously mentioned...

Being a patient fighter against Floyd is a recipe for DISASTER.

What do you think is going to happen?

Is Cotto going to beat him from the outside? Nope.

Can Cotto beat him from the inside? Nope.

Can Cotto outwork him? Nope.

Can Cotto outspeed him? Nope.

Can Cotto take him out with one good shot? Nope again.

Cotto is NOT a good pressure fighter, at least not these days. These days he is a guy that tries to stay on the outside, moves a lot and will try to outbox you. There is no-one in boxing who does that better today than Mayweather.

The second Cotto tries to come forward and pressure Floyd he will eat a big right hand which will set him back on his heels and that will be that.

As for not getting into his head I would really disagree with that statement. I've seen both Margarito and Manny do it so I see no reason why Floyd wouldn't be able to do it as well. Jon I like Cotto too but no way does he win a fight against Mayweather, I doubt he wins a round.

[Byrd Man]

BrotherCane Wrote:

Byrd Man Wrote:Hype is at the rumor of Canelo signing soon.

Man this makes me hope it IS true, just to see what he comes up with. lol

It would actually be really funny to me if it ends up being Canelo and Ben was wrong again.

Now he's backtracking saying "I'm still at Erik Morales Rumor" lmao

[damarvelous1]

I agree with the notion that Floyd would outclass Cotto. I still wouldn't mind seeing it. I think it would be an entertaining fight.

[JONdaCON]

damarvelous1 Wrote:I agree with the notion that Floyd would outclass Cotto. I still wouldn't mind seeing it. I think it would be an entertaining fight.

Once im off the handheld ill go into detail but what Meth said is enough to make me wanna watch it.

[Byrd Man]

One of my issues with Floyd is that whether or not you think he'd win against the likes of Margarito, Cotto, etc the fact is he to this point has never faced them.

And as a result at the welterweight division he has not faced the best of his time. I think that too often people get caught up in the "Floyd would outclass ....." and use that to dismiss the necessity of facing them.

I also think Floyd uses that mentality too. "Why should I fight Margarito or Cotto? They can't beat me, I'll go fight this guy for more money."

And that's a fine financial decision. Not a good legacy decision. He seems to go back and forth over what his legacy means, whether it means nothing ("Legacy don't put food on my kid's tables") or he talks about how he's not getting the respect he deserves for what he's accomplished.

You can't have it both ways. Often the most financially lucrative and the most legacy defining paths are not one and the same.

So whether or not he would have blown out Cotto/Margarito/Cintron/Mosley/Williams, isn't the point necessarily. It's the fact that when it is all said and done, as of this moment, he faced one of those guys, and that was years later after he got older and slower and couldn't pull the trigger.

He chose money over legacy. Which is fine if money is what matters most. But you can't pick door number one and then bitch that you can't have what was behind door number two as well and that people are haters for not letting you have it.

Just my thoughts.

[Fitz]

JD Wrote:Going to battle against Mayweather as a shorter, heavy footed, fairly slow, one-handed fighter is a recipe for a white washing.

DLH was taller, had a long quick jab, a lefthook that was one of the best in the business, good handspeed and a great chin / durability. Floyd had to respect to Oscar for the better part of the fight and find a way to tag him from outside range

Judah was a southpaw, which meant Floyd couldn't shoulder roll with him in there and had to fight him more squared up, who had lightning fast hands, and a ridiculous uppercut to go with a savage straight left.

I saw you mentioned Castillo, but that was a smaller Floyd against a bigger Castillo who was also a ton more durable than Cotto, I am not sure I agree that he was slower, plus he is one of our generations great pressure / inside fighters, Cotto is not.

Cotto isn't going to walk Floyd down and pressure him because he is too slow a foot, doesn't go to the body like he used to, and he cannot take the punishment required to do so. Cotto isn't going to counter Floyd because he will eat shot after shot without getting off anything substantive in return because his feet are too heavy.

All that said, just because my logic dictates that this fight is totally uncompetitive doesn't make it so...so I am going to suspend what I deem to be rational thought here for a second and accept that there is a possibility that I am missing something. So what am I missing Fitz? You are a long time fight fan and I respect your opinion, what am I not seeing? How does Cotto have a chance at beating Floyd or even making it a competitive fight in there?

Shorter? Yes

Heavy footed? Yes, he is slow on his feet, but moves well on his feet if that makes sense. Margarito's feet are slow as shit, and at one point, he was the most feared man for Mayweather. Castillo isn't that fleet footed either. Cotto is slow on his feet, but he is able to slide, pivot and turn well. Slow on his feet, but doesn't have bad footwork.

Fairly slow? Only on his feet, I would not consider him slow in the hand department. Is he quicker than Floyd? Absolutely not, but he matched Mosley for speed. Cotto's hand speed I think gets underrated, he just seems slow because of the way he moves, but I don't think he is fairly slow. He did slow down in handspeed inbetween the first Margarito fight until recently, but his last fight, he had some decent speed again.

One handed fighter? He was, but I saw promising signs and he was using his right hand beautifully in his last fight and added that to his arsenal.

I don't know, I think Castillo is slower than Cotto, in the hand department anyways. Neither are that quick on their feet.

You are right about Judah and DLH, they were very relevant reasons you put, but I still think Cotto's style will make Floyd wait a little bit more and I think he may give up some early rounds by Cotto being the more aggressive.
That said, Cotto switches to southpaw as well, and doesn't fight too bad from the southpaw stance. I think he could go through stages as well where he may switch.

I have always thought that the person to beat Mayweather (not saying Cotto is the one, but I really like how he matches up) will probably be someone that people don't expect. That's not my reasoning though, I'm just saying. On paper, it doesn't look like Cotto matches up well, but stylistically, I like it.

I like Cotto in this because I think he has a good mixture of pressure/boxing for Floyd. I think past opponents have been too much pressure, and Floyd loves that, he looks stronger because people are walking into his shots. Cotto applies pressure, but is not too forward.
Much like Cotto's losses, he has fought going backward as the other guy presses forward. Cotto doesn't have a huge tank and fighting backwards doesn't help.
I'm not 100% sure Mayweather walks Cotto down like Margarito and Pacquiao. Will Mayweather stay in front of him, and stand his ground like in the Mosley fight? Yes, I think he will. But I'm not sure if he will make Cotto go back and Mayweather pressing. I think he is more likely to stand his ground and use angles. I think Cotto may be fresher than in past fights because of this.
I just don't think we will see the offensive guy we saw with the Mosley/Hatton/Ortiz fight. I think we will get the more cautious version we saw with DLH/Baldomir/Marquez. Where guys aren't coming out all guns blazing, and Mayweather is opening up and countering with power as the guys move into his shots.
Cotto isn't as reckless and will let his hands go as much as the other guys, and I think Mayweather workrate drops out of this. I can see Cotto winning early rounds on aggression, and Mayweather will come on a bit later.
I think we get a similar structure to the Judah fight, where Mayweather will lose early rounds and come on later.

[Fitz]

the ollie reed fan club Wrote:What do you think is going to happen?

Is Cotto going to beat him from the outside? Nope.

Can Cotto beat him from the inside? Nope.

Can Cotto outwork him? Nope.

Can Cotto outspeed him? Nope.

Can Cotto take him out with one good shot? Nope again.

Cotto is NOT a good pressure fighter, at least not these days. These days he is a guy that tries to stay on the outside, moves a lot and will try to outbox you. There is no-one in boxing who does that better today than Mayweather.

The second Cotto tries to come forward and pressure Floyd he will eat a big right hand which will set him back on his heels and that will be that.

As for not getting into his head I would really disagree with that statement. I've seen both Margarito and Manny do it so I see no reason why Floyd wouldn't be able to do it as well. Jon I like Cotto too but no way does he win a fight against Mayweather, I doubt he wins a round.

Knockout is not the most likely scenario, but how can you just say 'nope'? Mayweather has been hurt before, Corley was able to buzz him. Not likely Cotto stops him with a shot, but I don't think it can be ruled out completely. This is boxing.

I don't think Pacquiao got into Cotto's head. Cotto was brave and kept coming, he was just totally outmatched in the end, but I don't think gave up. Against Margarito, he was exhausted and battered into submission, if there was ever a time for someone or something to mess with Cotto's head, it was the rematch with Margarito, and Cotto was so mentally strong and passed the test with flying colours. I don't question Cotto's mentality.

[the ollie reed fan club]

Fitz Wrote:Knockout is not the most likely scenario, but how can you just say 'nope'? Mayweather has been hurt before, Corley was able to buzz him. Not likely Cotto stops him with a shot, but I don't think it can be ruled out completely. This is boxing.

I don't think Pacquiao got into Cotto's head. Cotto was brave and kept coming, he was just totally outmatched in the end, but I don't think gave up. Against Margarito, he was exhausted and battered into submission, if there was ever a time for someone or something to mess with Cotto's head, it was the rematch with Margarito, and Cotto was so mentally strong and passed the test with flying colours. I don't question Cotto's mentality.

Who have you seen Cotto north of 140 pounds take out with one shot?

Mayweather took a really good shot from Mosley, whom I consider a much more serious one punch kind of guy and remained on his feet. No way do I see Cotto take PBF out with one shot. No way.

I guess we'll disagree about the Pac fight, I thought he did give up trying to win somewhere around round 6 or 7. He defiantly was determined to see the final bell but as for winning the fight I think he gave that away by the mid rounds.

As to the 2nd fight with Marg I think he was beginning to crack when the fight got stopped. Not saying he would've lost but I saw some cracks opening, not that I want to reopen that whole debate

[Fitz]

the ollie reed fan club Wrote:

Fitz Wrote:Knockout is not the most likely scenario, but how can you just say 'nope'? Mayweather has been hurt before, Corley was able to buzz him. Not likely Cotto stops him with a shot, but I don't think it can be ruled out completely. This is boxing.

I don't think Pacquiao got into Cotto's head. Cotto was brave and kept coming, he was just totally outmatched in the end, but I don't think gave up. Against Margarito, he was exhausted and battered into submission, if there was ever a time for someone or something to mess with Cotto's head, it was the rematch with Margarito, and Cotto was so mentally strong and passed the test with flying colours. I don't question Cotto's mentality.

Who have you seen Cotto north of 140 pounds take out with one shot?

Mayweather took a really good shot from Mosley, whom I consider a much more serious one punch kind of guy and remained on his feet. No way do I see Cotto take PBF out with one shot. No way.

I guess we'll disagree about the Pac fight, I thought he did give up trying to win somewhere around round 6 or 7. He defiantly was determined to see the final bell but as for winning the fight I think he gave that away by the mid rounds.

As to the 2nd fight with Marg I think he was beginning to crack when the fight got stopped. Not saying he would've lost but I saw some cracks opening, not that I want to reopen that whole debate

Mayorga.

Starting to crack in the fight with Margarito? Go watch the very last round of that fight, Cotto finished the round in style and strong. That was the last we saw of Cotto that night, and he looked and finished better than Margarito on the last round we saw.

[the ollie reed fan club]

Fitz Wrote:Mayorga.

Starting to crack in the fight with Margarito? Go watch the very last round of that fight, Cotto finished the round in style and strong. That was the last we saw of Cotto that night, and he looked and finished better than Margarito on the last round we saw.

Mayorga??? :surprise: Haha you're joking right? Mayo finished the fight on his feet and feigning a hand injury. When I think of getting stretched I'm thinking of what Mosley did to him.

Finishing the fight on your feet is not getting clocked with one punch.

I thought the last round of the second Margarito fight was Tony's best round of the night. Yes I still gave it to Cotto but I also saw enough to think to myself this could get interesting if they allow it too continue (which they didn't.)

Gee I'm really hoping the fight with PBF gets made. You've let your love for Cotto trip you up a couple of times before.