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[SmartyBeardo]

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BrotherCane Wrote:Furthermore I say that 1/2 on those things ain't even the truth and I know cutting spending by $2trillion is a flat out lie! Bush was a scumbag and to this day I still believe he took down WTC #7 but Obama raised the debt $5 trillion more than Bush in 8 years brother. So let me take a wild guess here, you say that's cause of the Bush tax cuts right? Come on bro, come school me on what I don't know! Please!


Really point me in the right direction for these facts. I really want to see the facts and truth bro. Really please get back to me on it! You are a smart dude and since my facts are wrong...please show me the light!

Is accusing me of being a liberal supposed to be an insult? The leaders of the Revolution were liberals. The conservatives were loyal to the fucking king. The conservatives were the ones that would have us under a system of slavery to this day. The conservatives fought the civil rights movement. They fought women's rights. And they have fought gay rights.

Wrap yourself in your conservative wet blanket. I'm comfortable being labeled a liberal.

I peruse heritage.org and the rest of the conservative sites that alter their opinions to make their arguments. I also frequent the Washington Times site owned by (who else) but the Reverend Moon.

Obama has not made me overly happy but relative to the piece of shit who preceded him and his fascist, coward of a vp, I'll take Obama. Who do you suppose are Romney's advisers and likely appointees on defense? The same corporatist neo-feudalists that supported Bush/Cheney.

What has Romney done other than suck the life out of American companies for profit and discard them like dead flies?

Besides Faux News and heritage.org you might try including the other side of the story. You could start with Consortium News, The Atlantic, Zfacts, Fact Check, Implode.com, Thom Hartmann, Understanding Fiscal Responsibility, and even Forbes.

You might also try reading Major General Smedley Butler's paper called War Is a Racket. This was the two time Medal Of Honor recipient who blew the whistle on the corporate fascists who recruited him to lead a coup against FDR and become the Military dictator of the USA in the 30s, one of which was Bush's grandfather.

When you get done with that homework, get back to me, and maybe, just maybe we can engage in an intelligent conversation about what the fuck is going on.

Meanwhile, I will be out there getting shit done.

No the liberal thing was to get you in here talking to me about it and I read many of the site you speak of the keep reading to see both side, I ain't far right @ all and believe to 2 sides fighting is part of the problem but my man Forbes would be on your ass for some statements I seen you make and I wanted to try to understand your position cause I know you are a smart and seasoned dude but I am agreeing with you! Obama is spending $9.6 billion a day and that is a fact!

And Romney is not a ring wing @ all no matter what, he is a moderate. Obama is getting close to a socialist in my eyes but I am still studying and sorting threw the medias 1/2 truths and totally lies! Anyone who doesn't need serious help in my eyes and may as well just listen to MSNBC, watch a zombie movie followed be American Idol and I will not be control by the left or the right...I have my own mind and I am seeking the truth ad will find. Thanks for the sites!

I appreciate that you are willing to search for the truth. I certainly don't have all of the answers. This I do know, Obama is no Socialist. If you look at how he has done his job he is what would have been considered conservative 30 years ago.

As far as the debt and deficit are concerned, it is important that we do not go down the road of a Greece or Spain on steroids. Fiscal responsibility has its place but austerity in the face of economic collapse is suicide.

Fascism = the marriage of corporate and political power. I call it Corporatism. It is the death of Democracy and (believe it or not) Capitalism. The USA is sinking into its grip further and further each year.

Corporatism is not interested in competition. Competition involves risk and a threat to total power.

Capitalism is nothing more than a game. Like other games, Capitalism does not work without rules. Capitalism without the rule of law inevitably leads to Totalitarianism.

I'm buzzed. I will try to go on when I have some time. Read War Is A Racket. USMC Major General Smedley Butler is one of the greatest American heroes.

I know war sucks, it cost $$$, it cost human lives and many other things! I get that & would even read the book but if we stay on point on spending, even the crazy text in the Obama pic. This admin hasn't even brought a budget to the floor in more than 3 years, the one they did, his own house shot down and joke of a budget! I WILL STAND BY THIS FOREVER, YOU CAN'T FIX MONEY PROBLEMS BY SPENDING MORE THAN YOU HAVE CAUSE THE FACT IS YOU WILL HAVE TO BORROW MORE OR PRINT MORE AND SOONER OR LATER YOU HAVE THE FACE IT AND TRY TO FIX IT!

This admin has sent $1.5 billion to the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, send $770 million overseas to fight global warmer & many other things...many that Obama by passed congress on! No Egypt is having an election and in some ways that tells my Obama supports them!

Welfare, it has got so far outta control that they are now buying them freaking smart phones with text on internet access Smarty! These ummmm, entitlist? Let's call them are taking their food stamp cards, stealing them & and going back & getting a new card!

I could go on and on & you admit you are busy & thanks for your time though & I am a guy who likes seeing all sides but all I see is the media being so far left that they ain't even reposting the whole side of 80% more more of their stories! The Obama admin is getting sued by 11 Catholic Churches over birth control and other things and only ABC reported on it for only 19 seconds! I just getting really pissed @ the media trying to control the way I think by straight up lying or 1/2 reporting the facts bro! Do you get what I am saying?

I'm really sorry that you are so upset. I've been more upset than you are since the mid 1960's. I just learned how to make a difference in my own little way.

The reason that I suggested you start with War Is A Racket is that it gives some perspective on the real fight. This is not a left v right thing. It is not a Republican v Democrat thing. This is a Corporatism vs the rights of the individual thing.

The media is not leftwing. The media is corporate fascist. They control the information that we have access to and divert our attention from reality and in fact create a faux reality.

The primary purpose of our military is not the defense of our geographic location. It hasn't been for a century. The primary purpose of our military is offense in support of international corporatist interests. I am not passing judgment on that fact, afterall, I have been part of it for a large portion of my life. That is why I suggested War Is A Racket, because it is a view from deep within the monster.

President Obama is part of the corporatist monster. He would not be in the position he is if he was not. Romney is also part of the same system, or he would not be our only option.

You can stand by whatever you want forever, but it won't make you correct. When an economy is dead in the water, as in there is no demand for goods and services, government stimulation of demand is a tactic to help jump-start the economy. Recession/depression is not the time for governmental austerity, just as cutting taxes in time of war is a suicidal time bomb. Certainly, efficiency is always the proper though seldom achieved method of operation, but the simple tactic of cutting taxes to increase revenue has proven a failure repeatedly, including during the mythical reign of Ronald Reagan. It was called voodoo economics by HW Bush and it turned out to be exactly that. Reagan was forced to raise taxes substantially in order to avert a double dip recession.

While it is certainly the case that we cannot spend our way out of debt, it is also true that the revenues to pay down the debt are not offset by the effect of deep tax cuts. I will try to make the time to delve more deeply into this if I get the chance.

You need to understand that foreign aid is a very small fraction of a drop in the budget bucket. It is not the problem, and it is not noticeably different than in previous administrations. Welfare is also a strawman. Welfare is not out of control and welfare fraud is the exception not the rule.

What does a lawsuit by 11 Catholic churches over birth control have to do with anything? I know about it and you know about it. It is not like it is some conspiracy to hide it from anyone. A more important fact is that not more is made about the tax exemption that churches have enjoyed for decades. Churches are business. They should pay taxes on their revenues like my businesses do.

The fact is that our budget problem involves Medicare, Social Security and defense spending as well as a lack of revenues as a result of the recession and the tax cuts during war time. The problem with Social Security is not the cost of the program. It is not an entitlement actually. It is an insurance program that has been self sustaining. The simple fix for Social Security is to raise the tax limit. I believe that it is currently at approximately $106,000. That means that I only pay Social Security taxes on my first $106,000 made each year. The limit has been raised periodically over the decades and should be again. Why should I get a break on SSI taxes because I make more than $106,000 a year? It does not make sense.

The problem with the Social Security system is that the Federal Government has borrowed huge sums from the fund to offset deficits and expenditures over the decades. So, now those who do not like the system or do not want the Fed to pay the system back, scream that Social Security is not solvent. It is a blatant scare tactic.

When it comes to Medicare we have a much larger issue. Baby Boomers are aging. Medicare is expensive. What is not taken into consideration is the cost of no longer having Medicare. It would be staggering. In fact, if anything, the greatest problem we face as a nation is the skyrocketing costs of healthcare. You and Spyder would be quick to condemn Obama for the health care bill he pushed through. I would be too for the exact opposite reasons that I believe you would. I believe that the only answer is a single payer program that funds a universal system. far from prohibitively costly, it would stimulate the economy by lifting the burden from small businesses and llcs and creating a healthier workforce. But, this is another issue that I will need to go into more deeply in the future.

Your anger seems largely focused on those individuals, largely impoverished individuals, that you have been convinced have received a free ride. Your anger is largely misguided. It should be redirected to the Corporate Fascist Movement which is at its core corporate socialism. According to the law, multi-national corporations and their richest stock holders are free to donate as much money as they please to political campaigns of their choice, anonymously if they so choose, under the "right" of free speech. What this essentially does to the Constitution Of The United States Of America is make it a contract whereby rights become privileges. Individuals only have the privileges that they can buy. Multi-national corporations have been granted the rights of the individual which means they have the right to lie without risk as part of their freedom of speech. As a result, we are currently living under a corporate fascist socialist state.

Caneman, your anger is woefully misplaced, unless you are a Fascist.