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Amateur fights & sparring sessions.
04-27-2012, 02:27 AM (This post was last modified: 01-23-2017 04:19 AM by ViperSniper.)
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Amateur fights & sparring sessions.
There would be many fights & sparring sessions between good boxers that never took place in the professional ring. I'm sure there may be a couple of surprises along the way.

I'll start off with..

Julio Cesar Chavez-Shane Mosley (sparring session). It's out there somewhere but I have not been able to find it though.

Mike Tyson-Oliver McCall



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04-27-2012, 02:30 AM (This post was last modified: 01-23-2017 04:32 AM by ViperSniper.)
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Kostya Tszyu - Vernon Forrest: (Amateur World Championship). One of my two all time favs!



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04-27-2012, 08:10 AM
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ViperSniper Wrote:Kostya Tszyu - Vernon Forrest: (Amateur World Championship). One of my two all time favs!

http://www.youtube.com/v/RFqzr4oMwZM
I just noticed that in that video (at 3:53) when showing Vernon Forrest's path to the finals. He beat the Italian dude Piccirillo, who he also fought in the pros a few years back, and also fought Mayorga and Spinks.
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04-27-2012, 09:51 AM
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ViperSniper Wrote:Kostya Tszyu - Vernon Forrest: (Amateur World Championship). One of my two all time favs!

http://www.youtube.com/v/RFqzr4oMwZM
Interesting fight...I enjoyed it even without hearing the scorecards! I yelled fuck out loud! We sure missed some really good fights in the pro with Cuban fighters vs USA fighters! I always wanted to see Thephlo Stevenson fight all the top heavyweights! But any of those fighters, especially from 1976 and 1980!
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04-27-2012, 02:12 PM
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Chavez/DLH is out there aswell. Not sure if it was after DLH won gold or right before but he was doing good you could tell Chavez wasn't going hard but then DLH lands some good shots chavez looks a lil pissed and then drops DLH with a left hook. Think it was a hook.

I've seen Mosley/Chavez aswell. Mosley doing good but again you could clearly tell Chavez wasnt' going hard beiing that they were still young fighters coming up. Good stuff though.
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04-28-2012, 05:28 AM
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kidbazooka1 Wrote:Chavez/DLH is out there aswell. Not sure if it was after DLH won gold or right before but he was doing good you could tell Chavez wasn't going hard but then DLH lands some good shots chavez looks a lil pissed and then drops DLH with a left hook. Think it was a hook.

I've seen Mosley/Chavez aswell. Mosley doing good but again you could clearly tell Chavez wasnt' going hard beiing that they were still young fighters coming up. Good stuff though.

I have come across the Chavez-Mosley sparring session couple of years ago (never seen it since) & thought the same thing that Mosley did quite well..but it is sparring. I think it took place in the early 90's ?

How bout Donaire-Kirkland! Anyone know at what weight that was at btw?
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04-28-2012, 05:57 AM
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Holyfield/Tua. Of course Vander could comfortably outbox Tua from the outside but you just know he would've been dragged into a war.

I believe Vander used Tua and another guy to prepare for Tyson and said he was getting beat up in sparring! But of course they did get him very ready to dish it out to Mike.

I wish they could've fought for real though, that fight I think would've been better than Tua/Ibeabuchi!

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04-28-2012, 07:44 AM
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Hopkins/Brewer.
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04-28-2012, 03:36 PM
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ViperSniper Wrote:
kidbazooka1 Wrote:Chavez/DLH is out there aswell. Not sure if it was after DLH won gold or right before but he was doing good you could tell Chavez wasn't going hard but then DLH lands some good shots chavez looks a lil pissed and then drops DLH with a left hook. Think it was a hook.

I've seen Mosley/Chavez aswell. Mosley doing good but again you could clearly tell Chavez wasnt' going hard beiing that they were still young fighters coming up. Good stuff though.

I have come across the Chavez-Mosley sparring session couple of years ago (never seen it since) & thought the same thing that Mosley did quite well..but it is sparring. I think it took place in the early 90's ?

How bout Donaire-Kirkland! Anyone know at what weight that was at btw?
Nonito spars hard trust me i know personally. Not sure bout the weight but Nonito put it on Kirkland. Alot of ppl dont know but Nonito tried out for the first season of The Contender he had to spar a jr middlweight and dropped him on his ass hard. He didn't get an invite to the show though.
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04-28-2012, 06:45 PM
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http://www.boxingscene.com/maidana-matth...tos--35234

Quote:Maidana-Matthysse: Story on The Private Fight

Only a few people were able to watch the "private fight" between junior welterweights Marcos Maidana and Lucas Matthysse. Seven years ago, they were top amateurs in Argentina and a private fight was put together to prove which of them was better. In the present, they are both top five contenders in one of the most talented weight division in boxing, 140-pounds.

TO FIGHT IN PRIVATE

It was Saturday night at the Argentine Boxing Federation Stadium. And we took notice when Sebasti?n Luj?n had knocked out Sergio Acu?a in only one round. The news spread by word of mouth as a whisper: ?Next Monday there will be a private fight. Next Monday, March 29th, 2004, Marcos Maidana and Lucas Matthysse will fight and the winner will go to Brazil, in the 140-pound division, for the pre-Olympic tournament?.

We had never seen a fight in private, but as a matter of fact, some training sessions looked like real battles. It?s common to hear things like this. When Ray Leonard fought Marvelous Hagler, he put together a couple of real bouts in private, because he had a layoff of two years. And it?s normal to know that among the National Teams there are some special days where the training sessions are real fights.

But never like this. Because the bout was in the ABF Stadium, with a referee, judges and everything, but behind closed doors, no people and almost nobody in attendance.

WHY A FIGHT IN PRIVATE? ?Because it?s something special? - told us Luis Romio, the legendary man of the ABF. "Because the two boxers are in a tremendous shape, because they have had big bouts but?there is room for only one in the Argentinean Team. If we choose one of them, the other one will have bad feelings. This way, there will be no doubts. They are tremendous fighters, and fighting before an audience, they can feel the extra pressure, for them and the judges.?

İmage

We arrived more than an hour before the fight and took a cup of coffee with Osvaldo Bisbal (ABF president), Luis Romio, Jorge Dom?nguez - the National Team?s trainer, Carlos Rodr?guez, Jorge Molina, all of them from the ABF. However, during the occasional meeting, nobody said a word about the fight. At one point, Bisbal left his place and we all followed him? But it was in vain: ?The boys haven?t arrived yet?, said someone. ?We must keep waitin?".

?The boys?, of course, are the boxers of the National Team. And suddenly, the old stadium opened its doors: empty and oblivious?

There were only a dozen witnesses, with only two journalists: Marcelo Gonz?lez and the author of this article, plus a photo reporter, Ram?n Cairo, from our magazine ?Ring Side?.

?Take this card, I want your opinion too?, said Bisbal, giving me one. As a tacit agreement, each one of us sat apart from the other. We went to the dressing rooms?

IN THE SOLITUDE of the dressing rooms, both of them stood. Matthysse and a very serious Maidana, so close together, and, also, so far from each other. No bad feelings and they did not look each other in the eyes. Their friends around them. Close to Matthysse, was Mat?as Ferreira and Omar Narv?ez?s younger brother, Daniel (who was is in the National Team, 105 pounds) On the Maidana corner, young Daniel Brizuela (126 pounds and in the National Team) and Pablo Chac?n?s younger brother, Javier (in the national Team in 112). They went with them to the ring.

No Jorge Dom?nguez, no Santiago Nieva, no H?ctor Morales, the official trainers. It was a fight - man-to-man - that?s all.

-Bisbal is asking if you are ready.

-Just in 10 minutes ?said Matthysse.

-Okay, 10 minutes ?said Maidana?s people.

We went to our front row positions. Next to us, Luis Romio, with a blow counting machine (as it?s used in the AIBA bouts), and a couple of meters further, Bisbal with another one.

And, in front of us, in the balcony, completely alone, standing up like a man in a ship looking at the horizon, Jorge Fernando Castro, slipping away from side to side, like a ghost boat?

FOR US, Maidana won the first two rounds, not only because of his speed; Matthysse allowed him to take the initiative. The third round was even, but edge was give for Lucas by a narrow margin. In the fourth, Matthysse put all his strength in the ring, winning it.

İmage

Only one round remaining. Matthysse kept the pressure, Maidana had to counter-punch. What to do? It was prohibited to give any draw rounds, to prevent a draw decision. This journalist (as a lot of the other people did) gave the fifth and final round to Maidana. Marcos looked more impressive in the rounds he won, more than Lucas did in his.

We can say that, in a ?normal? bout, a logical decision would be a draw, with applause for both of them for their style and technical attitude. We were waiting for a tremendous battle, but it wasn?t. But we must also say, that it was a very good bout, where intelligence beat brute force. The blow counting machine said: 38-31 blows for Maidana, who obtained his third victory, with one draw, over Lucas.

WE PUT IN OUR VOTES as if it were a Presidential Election Day. Doctor Hugo Rodr?guez Papini and Luis Romio took all the votes and the winner was Marcos Maidana. We entered the dressing rooms with the boxers. No words. Matthysse, looking at the floor, pulled off his shirt.

Rodr?guez Papini -the National Teams? doctor for over 25 years- entered the scene.

-Please, both of you, sit here.

They sat one to one, as in the confessional room. No staring at each other, nor looking at the doctor, just listening, with their heads low?like children at school.

-It was a very good fight. Very, very clever and even. The votes were 9 to 1. I congratulate both of you. Tomorrow we?ll talk about the future. It was a very good fight. Congratulations again.

When the doctor left the room, Jorge Dom?nguez embraced the loser:

-You made such a great fight! Remember, Lucas, you will be world champion.

The young boxer, without a word, started crying.

We left the place. Maidana told us:

-We are roommates and close friends. Tonight, we?ll talk. We are good friends, and sometimes, things like this happen?

We walked to the street. It was a hot afternoon. The people were waiting outside, waiting for the other fights, and ignoring the drama. The pure and candid crying of Matthysse was our companion for a while.

Mathysse cried, and we cried with him, with pride for our old and dear boxing, a sport that can produce moments like this.

PHOTOS BY RAMON CAIRO. TRANSLATION BY NICO SAMUILOV. This article first appeared in ?Ring Side Magazine? in Buenos Aires, Argentina, issue number 81, March 2004.

Editors Note: The Argentinian team went to Brazil in April. Maidana defeated Austin Jopseh (Virgin Islands) and was defeated on points (39-24) by Rock Allen (USA). The entire national team was defeated, but Brizuela ?who is a professional now- got his ticket to Athens. The Argentinian Martin Islas was defeated by Blas Pascal.
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