Religion Unfiltered

[ROLLDEEP]

(12-31-2014 04:32 PM)the ollie reed fan club Wrote:  makes me think as someone that does believe in evolution, that it is entirely possible for our 'moral code' to be a set of standards that has evolved over thousands of years just as we have physically evolved as a species.

Yes, that's exactly the point.

With no God, our morals are just an evolved set of behavioural patterns that have been shaped since the beginning of time.

This leaves us, however, in a dire predicament. If 'right' and 'wrong' are merely evolved patterns of behaviour that allow homo sapiens to best thrive, then they are not objective moral truths (and by 'objective' I mean independent of people's opinions), but hard-wired traits that we either have no control over and/or we alter our behaviour for social reasons.

Why think that human beings - just one of millions of lifeforms that have randomly evolved on this planet - have moral worth?

I fail to see, as have many, many atheistic philosophers, how we can recognise objective truths without a God.

Again, this is not to suggest that you need belief in God to be a 'good' person - far from it. The history of all the world religions tell us that even with belief in God we act in diabolical ways, but without a God, whilst there can be behaviour that is pleasurable and 'good' for our species, allowing us to flourish, there is no objective 'right'.


I did a paper on morality the other month for my university degree - I'll try and post it up when I can for those interested. This is not to say that I am undeniably right and you must all bow before me - it just suits this thread perfectly and would love any feedback.

[Romulus9]

All I know is that I do my best to locate the side of any issue that Decagon supports, and then immediately run to the other side.


It's working so far.

[ROLLDEEP]

LOL

[the ollie reed fan club]

(01-01-2015 03:25 PM)ROLLDEEP Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 04:32 PM)the ollie reed fan club Wrote:  makes me think as someone that does believe in evolution, that it is entirely possible for our 'moral code' to be a set of standards that has evolved over thousands of years just as we have physically evolved as a species.

Yes, that's exactly the point.

With no God, our morals are just an evolved set of behavioural patterns that have been shaped since the beginning of time.

This leaves us, however, in a dire predicament. If 'right' and 'wrong' are merely evolved patterns of behaviour that allow homo sapiens to best thrive, then they are not objective moral truths (and by 'objective' I mean independent of people's opinions), but hard-wired traits that we either have no control over and/or we alter our behaviour for social reasons.

Why think that human beings - just one of millions of lifeforms that have randomly evolved on this planet - have moral worth?

I fail to see, as have many, many atheistic philosophers, how we can recognise objective truths without a God.

Again, this is not to suggest that you need belief in God to be a 'good' person - far from it. The history of all the world religions tell us that even with belief in God we act in diabolical ways, but without a God, whilst there can be behaviour that is pleasurable and 'good' for our species, allowing us to flourish, there is no objective 'right'.


I did a paper on morality the other month for my university degree - I'll try and post it up when I can for those interested. This is not to say that I am undeniably right and you must all bow before me - it just suits this thread perfectly and would love any feedback.

You remind me of Tyson Fury wearing that baseball cap. Take that.

[ROLLDEEP]

That is probably the worst thing anyone has ever said to me.

Or the greatest. I'm not sure.

[blackbelt2003]

Bump.

Just reread this entire thread and it’s full of win.




Black

[Nay_Sayer]

(01-18-2018 06:56 PM)blackbelt2003 Wrote:  Bump.

Just reread this entire thread and it’s full of win.

It's full of nonsense...

[Warlord]

[the ollie reed fan club]

(10-18-2019 10:53 AM)Nay_Sayer Wrote:  It's full of nonsense...

Then no need to post in it.

[Warlord]

Well, he might need to post another out of context quote from a book he’s never read.