Politics Unfiltered

[Dickagon]

Lloyd, North Korea was desperate to even put an end to all of their bullshit. Their actions were unsustainable after the loss of the nuclear test site. I see this coming together pretty easily. Without the threat of nuclear war NK has nothing.

I disagree with you on being able to resist Chinese meddling, War. I see NK being very similar to China in the future, their economy and military will just be significantly weaker. I doubt the US will ever have a strong influence over NK unless China were to become a shell of itself.

[the ollie reed fan club]

Everyone on the left is saying that Kim got everything he wanted and Trump got nothing. WTF?? Kim got what? a photo op and they say that Trump has legitimized him as a leader. Well Trump can take all that away in a nanosecond and Kim knows it.

American foreign policy has followed down the same old road for the past 40 years and where has it got them? Trump is trying something different and yeah i think it will work. Sure America might have to swallow the dead rat of guaranteeing kim protection but if it takes nukes off the peninsula and feeds an entire nation that isn't the worst result. It was a smart moving taking this summit to Singapore, Kim got to see firsthand all the goodies on offer to him if he pays nice. Like war and Dick, I think this will happen rather easily and add yet another astonishing achievement to Trump's already burgeoning legacy, quite a first 500 days it has been.

[Warlord]

@Dickagon

China's greatest fear is American hegemony in Asia. They've always had North Korea as a buffer state between them and the American troops stationed in South Korea.

With North Korea defanged, or worse, under American protection, that leaves China virtually surrounded by American forces and pro-American allies including South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and the Philippines.

There's a reason China never brought North Korea to heel. Their dream is and always has been to supplant the United States' supremacy. If Trump is to denuke and eliminate the North Korean threat, it will be in spite of China, not because of them.

@Ollie

I think the security the United States has promised NK isn't protective or defensive in nature. The security guarantees I believe is in regards to the toppling of Libya, which occurred after Libya had agreed to denuke themselves, thanks to Clinton and Odummy.

NK was and is rightfully worried that the exact same thing will happen to them. That is why I think Trump had to make those security guarantees.

The left has gon crazy. Trump gave up nothing, got 3 hostages, remains of American MIA/POW's, destroyed nuke test sites, and a signed commitment from Kim to denuke.

All Trump gave up was time. It was a true diplomatic victory.

[the ollie reed fan club]

(06-13-2018 07:22 PM)Warlord Wrote:  @Dickagon

China's greatest fear is American hegemony in Asia. They've always had North Korea as a buffer state between them and the American troops stationed in South Korea.

With North Korea defanged, or worse, under American protection, that leaves China virtually surrounded by American forces and pro-American allies including South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and the Philippines.

There's a reason China never brought North Korea to heel. Their dream is and always has been to supplant the United States' supremacy. If Trump is to denuke and eliminate the North Korean threat, it will be in spite of China, not because of them.

@Ollie

I think the security the United States has promised NK isn't protective or defensive in nature. The security guarantees I believe is in regards to the toppling of Libya, which occurred after Libya had agreed to denuke themselves, thanks to Clinton and Odummy.

NK was and is rightfully worried that the exact same thing will happen to them. That is why I think Trump had to make those security guarantees.

The left has gon crazy. Trump gave up nothing, got 3 hostages, remains of American MIA/POW's, destroyed nuke test sites, and a signed commitment from Kim to denuke.

All Trump gave up was time. It was a true diplomatic victory.

Yes that's what i meant, I think Kim wanted the guarantee that he wouldn't end up with a revolver being shot up his arse.

[Warlord]

Agreed. It's a perfectly reasonable stipulation to ask for, and to agree to.

The left is just pissed to see Trump winning over and over.

[Romulus9]

I'll readily admit that the 2016 election cycle was not an easy one to break down personally. I can't stand Hillary Clinton, or any members of that moron family. Bernie Sanders is a lunatic communist no matter what package he tries to place his BS into with a pretty "democratic socialism" ribbon. That left Donald Trump, a third-party 'statement' vote, or abstaining for the year. It was difficult to see a guy that got hit with a Stone Cold Stunner at WrestleMania and used to fire fake employees on NBC as the leader of the free world... but the man is not an idiot, as leftists try to claim, nor is he insane, like others try to claim. He's a businessman, and is going to approach everything on a cost-benefit scale as he would in a board room.

Here we are.

The results, if you ask me, have been astonishing. Have I, a lifelong conservative with a good bit of libertarian stuff mixed in, agreed with everything the man has done? No, but you will never see a 100% rate of agreement in politics. But Trump has accomplished some things that I never expected. If you listened to those on the 'progressive' (LOL) left in the days before and after Election Night 2016, the United States was going to either implode or find themselves embattled in multiple wars by the end of 2017.

- Economy up, and growing rapidly, with literal record-breaking numbers.

- No major conflicts.

- Problems are cropping up in the country that are being blamed on the White House, and politicians at large, but have everything to do with a degrading society and not politics.

- Literal negotiations happening with North Korea, something that was unthinkable for the eight years of the MessiaObama administration.

- Kushner and the rest of the crew of negotiators are working on a comprehensive Middle East peace plan. Now, in fairness, the Bible prophecy/eschatology part of me see red flags and hears sirens when it comes to this. Read the book I wrote on the subject sometime. But the fact that it's happening, and is set to be presented in the near future, is something that has potentially globe-shaking potential.


That's just a sampling. Say what you will, but this administration is off to a fascinating and powerful start.... in spite of facing more polarized opposition than any in recent memory.

(And if you try to say that Obama faced the same kind of opposition, just in the other direction, please understand that that is complete horseshit.)

[Warlord]

What's the name of the book, Rom?

Agreed Obama never came close to dealing with what Trump has. The media actively protected him, and Republicans rolled over and took it up the ass for 8 years for fear of being labelled "rayciss!"

[Dickagon]

China fought a proxy war for the USSR during the Korean war. In the 50s they were peasants hiding behind the USSR. Russia is barely relevant as a world power. Their brief resurgence is slightly due to motherfuckers in office having no balls. Bush Jr was breaking Putin off all day.

Now I'd say China is a bit stronger than Russia and has utilized NK as a buffer between US power. China also wants to be a legitimate world power. NK has been a pawn they've been using to destabilize the peninsula. The Kim's have ruled a shithole countries have pillaged just so they can barter for necessities. China can't prop up a country that's no longer a nuclear threat and doesn't want a failed country sending refugees over their border. If China really saw any long term benefit in NK not playing ball with the US this wouldn't be possible. Shit countries can't prop up shit countries indefinitely.

[Warlord]

The problem isn't on the Chinese side. China could indeed prop NK up for years to come.

The problem is on the Korean side. Kim Jong Un studied abroad (Switzerland, I think). He knows what a shithole he's living in. A high-ranking defector said Kim was seen openly weeping at the state his country was in. I think the man is he honestly sick of it.

Now that Kim has consolidated his power, he's making his play. And his play is obvious. He's going with the Americans. Every economic powerhouse in Asia (including China) followed that same roadmap.

If China could control Kim's decision, they wouldn't have summoned him to China twice right before the summit, when they'd never summoned him once before.

For whatever reason, Kim has never had any affinity for the Chinese. I think he's decided to cast his lot with the Americans, who at least have a proven track record when it comes to turning an outhouse into a penthouse.

China's record has been less sterling. They've not pulled any of these poor Asian or African countries they've been dealing with out of poverty. In fact, they've indebted them. All of them. Which is why none of the other Asian tigers are ready to jump in bed with them without America as leverage.

I maintain, if this deal gets done, it gets done in spite of China. Not because of it.

[Romulus9]

(06-14-2018 06:42 AM)Warlord Wrote:  What's the name of the book, Rom?

Agreed Obama never came close to dealing with what Trump has. The media actively protected him, and Republicans rolled over and took it up the ass for 8 years for fear of being labelled "rayciss!"

My book on Amazon