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***Nay_Sayer*** · 09-06-2019, 04:41 PM

(09-06-2019 04:31 PM)Warlord Wrote: So what is racism then? Define it.

Racism is the foundation of Western "Civilization".

(09-06-2019 04:31 PM)Warlord Wrote: You don't have to wait. 4,000 years ago would put you in the time of the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), who settled in Canaan, or what would later be known as Israel.

LMAO

Do you have any evidence for these so-called "patriarchs"? Why should I believe they are any more real than say Santa Claus or the Man in the Moon?

And you didn't answer the question I asked. Let me repeat since I know you have a problem comprehending the Queen's English.

Where were the Israelites 4000 years ago?

***Warlord*** · 09-06-2019, 04:53 PM

(09-06-2019 04:41 PM)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Racism is the foundation of Western "Civilization"

But what does racism mean?

Quote:Do you have any evidence for these so-called "patriarchs"? Why should I believe they are any more real than say Santa Claus or the Man in the Moon?

How many patriarchs do you think didn't exist? Which patriarch mentioned in the Torah do you think was real? These ideas weren't created in a vacuum. They had to begin somewhere.

I know I'm wasting my time here, because you aren't interested in learning, but if you'd actually ever read or studied the Torah (or the New Testament of the Bible), or any ancient work, you would see internal evidence (or a lack of internal evidence) for the authenticity of the writings.

For example, if today I were to write a statement like this "even to this day Democrats still cannot stand the fact that Donald Trump is the president of the United States", it would be internal evidence that my statement was written between the years 2016-2020. (It would also be evidence that Donald Trump was the president during this time, assuming such a thing even needed proving.)

Many such examples of exactly this kind exist within the Torah (specifically the Pentateuch) that point to its antiquity. Whether you think the Patriarchs themselves existed or not, the historicity of the Torah itself is the only evidence needed to support the claim of Judaism as an ancient religion, approximately 4,000 years in age.

Quote:And you didn't answer the question I asked. Let me repeat since I know you have a problem comprehending the Queen's English.

Where were the Israelites 4000 years ago?

I answered, you dumb fuck. I said they were in Canaan (in what would later be known as Israel.)

Now how about you answer some of my questions, you ignorant little shit.

What is the "Amen" you mentioned earlier?
Which black African country was a democracy or a republic before Greece/Rome?
How many Japanese citizens did the United States murder in their "Nazi style" concentration camps?
How did American Indians get to the Americas?
How is the verb "discover" racist, and which non-racist verb do you think better describes what Columbus did?
Which "Nile Valley" religion outlawed human sacrifice or forbade a man from coveting his neighbor's possessions?
Which "Nile Valley" religion mandated ethical treatment of strangers, slaves, and animals?
Which "Nile Valley" religion featured a monotheistic God who was a universal god, not a tribal god or an elemental god?
What rights or privileges do white Americans have that any other race doesn't under the law?
If America is systemically racist, or white Americans enjoyed any special privilege or right in America that other minorities don't, why do so many minorities in America receive better educations and earn more money than whites, and why are whites incarcerated in much higher percentages than those minority races?

***the ollie reed fan club*** · 09-06-2019, 06:02 PM

And to think I'm still waiting for Naysayer to tell me about White Privilege in 2019 and I log in this morning and find he's now back 4000 years!

I've also learned that after claiming to not be a Leftist he is in fact a rabid leftist. I know this because he's going with that funky movement started around the 1950's where we want to separate out race with ethnicity, shoot he'll probably deny ethnicity exists next as well.

Asks Warlord where the Jews were 4000 years ago, warlord tells him and then he asks where the Jews were 4000 years ago!!

I think he's hoping if he posts enough ROTFLMAO that is somehow going to carry the day. Gee if only debating were that easy! It's like watching Cory Spinks fight, he's doing a ton of slipping and sliding and not throwing single punch back. I felt like these were a good list of questions of which a single one hasn't been answered. I'll repost them in the vain hope he'll address them but I don't have much faith that he will:

Which black African country was a democracy or a republic before Greece/Rome?
How many Japanese citizens did the United States murder in their "Nazi style" concentration camps?
How did American Indians get to the Americas?
How is the verb "discover" racist, and which non-racist verb do you think better describes what Columbus did?
Which "Nile Valley" religion outlawed human sacrifice or forbade a man from coveting his neighbor's possessions?
Which "Nile Valley" religion mandated ethical treatment of strangers, slaves, and animals?
Which "Nile Valley" religion featured a monotheistic God who was a universal god, not a tribal god or an elemental god?
What rights or privileges do white Americans have that any other race doesn't under the law?
If America is systemically racist, or white Americans enjoyed any special privilege or right in America that other minorities don't, why do so many minorities in America receive better educations and earn more money than whites, and why are whites incarcerated in much higher percentages than those minority races?

***Nay_Sayer*** · 09-06-2019, 06:40 PM

(09-06-2019 04:53 PM)Warlord Wrote: But what does racism mean?

Racism = stupid caveman way of thinking.

(09-06-2019 04:53 PM)Warlord Wrote: How many patriarchs do you think didn't exist? Which patriarch mentioned in the Torah do you think was real? These ideas weren't created in a vacuum. They had to begin somewhere.

I don't think any of them existed seeing as the evidence saying as much does not exist. The Torah is *not* a history book. It is largely a collection of spells, stories and statutes taken from much older religious traditions. Again, why should I believe these "patriarchs" existed when there is as much evidence for them as there is for Santa Claus and Spider Man? In fact, I think MORE evidence exists for the latter.

(09-06-2019 04:53 PM)Warlord Wrote: I know I'm wasting my time here, because you aren't interested in learning, but if you'd actually ever read or studied the Torah (or the New Testament of the Bible), or any ancient work, you would see internal evidence (or a lack of internal evidence) for the authenticity of the writings.

The Torah and the Christian Bible are not original works. They both come from much older religious traditions.

(09-06-2019 04:53 PM)Warlord Wrote: Many such examples of exactly this kind exist within the Torah (specifically the Pentateuch) that point to its antiquity. Whether you think the Patriarchs themselves existed or not, the historicity of the Torah itself is the only evidence needed to support the claim of Judaism as an ancient religion, approximately 4,000 years in age.

Sorry but NO, it does not work that way. You can't convince me that the Torah is authentic because the Torah says so. That's called Circular Reasoning. IOW, it's akin to a dog chasing his tail..

(09-06-2019 04:53 PM)Warlord Wrote: I answered, you dumb fuck. I said they were in Canaan (in what would later be known as Israel.)

Why? Because the Torah says so? Lol. Do you have any extra-biblical evidence?

Now, lets proceed a little further with your schooling, shall we?

This document is called the Merneptah Stele. It dates back to about 1200BC, give or take. Why is it significant? It is the oldest known document in history to reference "Israel" - even though there is an ongoing debate re if the "Israel" mentioned are in fact the Biblical Israelites. We will assume that they are. The Stele reads as such concerning "Israel";

Merneptah Stele Wrote:The princes are prostrate, saying, "Peace!"
Not one is raising his head among the Nine Bows.
Now that Tehenu (Libya) has come to ruin,
Hatti is pacified;
The Canaan has been plundered into every sort of woe:
Ashkelon has been overcome;
Gezer has been captured;
Yano'am is made non-existent.
Israel is laid waste and his seed is not;
Hurru is become a widow because of Egypt.

No mention of "Israel" anywhere in recorded history prior to this document. That is, of course, unless you have something older.

No? I didn't think so. Lets continue with your schooling.

These are the most beautful 42 Principles of Ma'at, also known as the 42 Negative Confessions. Why are they significant? Well, lets look at a few;

42 Principles of Ma'at Wrote:Hail, Fenti, who comest forth from Khemenu, I have not stolen.
Hail, Am-khaibit, who comest forth from Qernet, I have not slain men and women.
Hail, Neha-her, who comest forth from Rasta, I have not stolen grain.
Hail, Neba, who comest and goest, I have not uttered lies.
Hail, Qerrti, who comest forth from Amentet, I have not committed adultery.
Hail, Tenemiu, who comest forth from Bast, I have not slandered anyone.
Hail, Kenemti, who comest forth from Kenmet, I have not blasphemed.

Look familiar?

The 42 Principles of Ma'at are contained in a document called the Papyrus of Anu - which dates back to 1250 BC.

Yes, I know, it's a lot to consider. I don't want to put too much homework on your plate so early in your lesson. So, just one more for you tonight then I'll let you go study.

Mary and baby Jesus? No. I'd like for you to meet Aset and Heru. They were already old 1000 years before Jesus is alleged to have been born.

Like I said, there is *nothing* original about the Torah or the Bible.

Now, chew on that for a while and, when you're ready, we can proceed with your schooling...

***Warlord*** · 09-06-2019, 10:39 PM

(09-06-2019 06:40 PM)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Racism = stupid caveman way of thinking.

Well, that is certainly a thorough and well thought-out position to take. I guess someone ought contact the fine folks at Merriam Webster and inform them that the definition of racism as "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race" has been redefined by an afrocentric faggot on a boxing forum to mean "stupid caveman way of thinking." After all, yours is clearly the more articulate and coherent definition.

Quote:I don't think any of them existed seeing as the evidence saying as much does not exist.

Whether or not you think Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob existed is irrelevant to the claim that Judaism is an ancient religion, and was an ancient religion before the Roman Empire ever existed.

Quote:The Torah is *not* a history book.

It is largely a collection of spells, stories and statutes taken from much older religious traditions. Again, why should I believe these "patriarchs" existed when there is as much evidence for them as there is for Santa Claus and Spider Man? In fact, I think MORE evidence exists for the latter.

The Torah and the Christian Bible are not original works. They both come from much older religious traditions.

Again, tell me which older religious traditions you think they come from. And please don't post some ridiculous afrocentric jpegs you found on some third-rate, garbage tier blog and think it an acceptable substitute for a coherent argument.

Quote:Sorry but NO, it does not work that way. You can't convince me that the Torah is authentic because the Torah says so. That's called Circular Reasoning. IOW, it's akin to a dog chasing his tail..

That's not even close to what I said, shitbrain. I said that ancient documents contain internal evidence. As expected, it was a complete waste of time. It went completely over your head.

Some examples of internal evidence:

1.) Moses, Phinehas, Hophni, and Hur (all from the Exodus period in Jewish history) are Egyptian names, not Hebrew names. No other group of Israelites have/had Egyptian names in the Bible. This is an example of internal evidence which is consistent with external sources.

2.) The tribe Moses belonged to were the Levites. The Levites were the priestly class in Judaism. The architecture of the Jewish Tabernacle and its surrounding courtyard described in the Torah matches that of the battle tent of Pharaoh Rameses II exactly. Again, this is internal evidence which is consistent with external sources.

3.) In the Song of Deborah (written at least as early 1100-1200 BC) the Torah records the defeat of the Canaanites at the hands of the Israelites, mentioning every tribe by name except one -- the Levites. If one were to assume the Biblical timeline regarding Jewish captivity is accurate, and that Moses (with his Egyptian name) and the Levites (with their Egyptian influences) came from Egypt, this would match up with the New Kingdom era of Egyptian history, where Ramesses II (the man most scholars commonly believe would have been Pharaoh at the time of the Exodus, and the same man mentioned in point 2) ruled. Again, internal evidence. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/cultu...ished-god/

4.) The Song of Miriam, conversely, mentions the Levites but no other tribes of Israel, because it was written by the diaspora during the Exodus. Again, internal evidence.

Again, as I mentioned earlier, you can find ample internal evidence of the Torah's historicity that matches up to what we already know about ancient history. The New Testament of the Bible is perhaps even more impressive with its knowledge of the ancient world.

You can claim that none of the figures mentioned in the Torah existed, or even the New Testament, it doesn't matter to me. But you're absolutely beyond absurd if you want to claim the books themselves are not ancient.

Even the language used in the Torah is ancient, matching up to the other Semitic languages being used in approximately the same time period.

Quote:Now, lets proceed a little further with your schooling, shall we?

This document is called the Merneptah Stele. It dates back to about 1200BC, give or take. Why is it significant? It is the oldest known document in history to reference "Israel" - even though there is an ongoing debate re if the "Israel" mentioned are in fact the Biblical Israelites. We will assume that they are. The Stele reads as such concerning "Israel";

No mention of "Israel" anywhere in recorded history prior to this document. That is, of course, unless you have something older.

No? I didn't think so. Lets continue with your schooling.

Are you retarded? You ask me where Israel was 4,000 years ago, and then you provide the evidence yourself, you dumb shit. Assuming that Israel came into existence 5 seconds before the Merneptah Stele was created, that already puts Israel in the Middle East at a minimum of 3,200 years ago.

But you're right, dumb shit. Even the ancient Egyptians are in on this 3,500-year-old conspiracy to convince the world that the Israelites are 4,000 years old, instead of the true number, which is 3,200.

You really proved your point, you stupid fucking idiot.

Quote:

These are the most beautful 42 Principles of Ma'at, also known as the 42 Negative Confessions. Why are they significant? Well, lets look at a few;

Look familiar?

The 42 Principles of Ma'at are contained in a document called the Papyrus of Anu - which dates back to 1250 BC.

Yes, I know, it's a lot to consider. I don't want to put too much homework on your plate so early in your lesson. So, just one more for you tonight then I'll let you go study.

You are referring to the Papyrus of Ani, retard, not "Anu." Is "Anu" related to the "Amen" you mentioned earlier?

And I'm not sure where in the fuck you think any of those 42 negative confessions relates to the unique values laid out in the Torah (such as forbidding human sacrifice, forbidding the coveting of your neighbor's property, or mandating the humane treatment of strangers, slaves, and animals.) Maybe you can comb through it again and list the specific rules you think are equivalent to the ones I mentioned earlier.

And while you're at it, show me an Egyptian god that was not a tribal god or an elemental god, but was instead a spiritual god who existed outside of the material world, and created the material world through words alone.

Quote:

Mary and baby Jesus? No. I'd like for you to meet Aset and Heru. They were already old 1000 years before Jesus is alleged to have been born.

You think a picture of a woman holding a baby proves... what, exactly?

And by the way, fucking bravo, motherfucker! Proving once and for all my second claim, that you are a fucking afrocentrist of the highest order. Who the fuck is Aset and Heru? I can honestly say I have NEVER fucking heard of those fuckers before, so I have no qualms admitting I googled the shit out of them. I searched for "Aset and Heru." And guess what?

The very first hit I got was from a FUCKING COLORING BOOK, you fucking twat. A coloring book by afrocentrists for afrocentrists!

https://www.amazon.com/Story-Asar-Aset-H...1884564313

And by the way, shitbrain, the image you provided is of Isis and Horus. What the fuck is "Aset and Heru", some ridiculous code names made up for Isis and Horus by black Americans stealing history from the Semitic peoples of Egypt and pretending it's theirs?

Quote:Like I said, there is *nothing* original about the Torah or the Bible.

Now, chew on that for a while and, when you're ready, we can proceed with your schooling...

It's more original than the shit being peddled by you and your uncultured afrocentrist friends, I can tell you that.

Why don't you just post pics straight from the coloring book next time, you fucking cum-sipping faggot.

And when you do, don't forget to answer these questions!

What is the "Amen" you mentioned earlier?
Which black African country was a democracy or a republic before Greece/Rome?
How many Japanese citizens did the United States murder in their "Nazi style" concentration camps?
How did American Indians get to the Americas?
How is the verb "discover" racist, and which non-racist verb do you think better describes what Columbus did?
Which "Nile Valley" religion outlawed human sacrifice or forbade a man from coveting his neighbor's possessions?
Which "Nile Valley" religion mandated ethical treatment of strangers, slaves, and animals?
Which "Nile Valley" religion featured a monotheistic God who was a universal god, not a tribal god or an elemental god?
What rights or privileges do white Americans have that any other race doesn't under the law?
If America is systemically racist, or white Americans enjoyed any special privilege or right in America that other minorities don't, why do so many minorities in America receive better educations and earn more money than whites, and why are whites incarcerated in much higher percentages than those minority races?

***Nay_Sayer*** · (This post was last modified: 09-07-2019 01:09 PM by Nay_Sayer.)

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: Whether or not you think Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob existed is irrelevant to the claim that Judaism is an ancient religion, and was an ancient religion before the Roman Empire ever existed.

Please provide evidence for the existence of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: Again, tell me which older religious traditions you think they come from. And please don't post some ridiculous afrocentric jpegs you found on some third-rate, garbage tier blog and think it an acceptable substitute for a coherent argument.

As has already been demonstrated, Judaism and Christianity are both products of the Nile Valley.

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: Again, as I mentioned earlier, you can find ample internal evidence of the Torah's historicity that matches up to what we already know about ancient history. The New Testament of the Bible is perhaps even more impressive with its knowledge of the ancient world.

"Internal Evidence"? LOL. I'm sorry but your circular reasoning doesn't work here. The Torah isn't true just because it says it's true. You need to provide some extra-biblical evidence to support your arguments. The Torah is *NOT* a history book.

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: You can claim that none of the figures mentioned in the Torah existed, or even the New Testament, it doesn't matter to me. But you're absolutely beyond absurd if you want to claim the books themselves are not ancient.

If the Torah is ancient then you should have no problem providing us with evidence which says as much. I'm waiting...

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: Even the language used in the Torah is ancient, matching up to the other Semitic languages being used in approximately the same time period.

According to whom exactly? Where is your evidence?

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: Are you retarded? You ask me where Israel was 4,000 years ago, and then you provide the evidence yourself, you dumb shit. Assuming that Israel came into existence 5 seconds before the Merneptah Stele was created, that already puts Israel in the Middle East at a minimum of 3,200 years ago.

The question remains unanswered so I will ask again; Where were the Israelites 4000 years ago?

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: But you're right, dumb shit. Even the ancient Egyptians are in on this 3,500-year-old conspiracy to convince the world that the Israelites are 4,000 years old, instead of the true number, which is 3,200.

The question remains unanswered so I will ask again; Where were the Israelites 4000 years ago?

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: And I'm not sure where in the fuck you think any of those 42 negative confessions relates to the unique values laid out in the Torah (such as forbidding human sacrifice, forbidding the coveting of your neighbor's property, or mandating the humane treatment of strangers, slaves, and animals.) Maybe you can comb through it again and list the specific rules you think are equivalent to the ones I mentioned earlier.

The 42 Negative Confessions are the source material for the so-called "Ten Commandments" taken almost word for word. The Torah and the Old Testament are full of examples of plagiarism of Egyptian and other religious texts. Like I said, there is *nothing* unique about the Torah or Judaism. They both come from older religious traditions.

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: And while you're at it, show me an Egyptian god that was not a tribal god or an elemental god,

Show me a god of Judaism who doesn't fit the same criteria.

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: You think a picture of a woman holding a baby proves... what, exactly?

It proves that there is nothing unique about the Christian religion, Einstein. Try paying attention..

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: And by the way, fucking bravo, motherfucker! Proving once and for all my second claim, that you are a fucking afrocentrist of the highest order. Who the fuck is Aset and Heru? I can honestly say I have NEVER fucking heard of those fuckers before, so I have no qualms admitting I googled the shit out of them. I searched for "Aset and Heru." And guess what?

"Isis" and "Horus" are Greek words, Einstein. Now, ask yourself this question, why would Egyptian deities have Greek names?

Chew on that for a while...

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: And by the way, shitbrain, the image you provided is of Isis and Horus. What the fuck is "Aset and Heru", some ridiculous code names made up for Isis and Horus by black Americans stealing history from the Semitic peoples of Egypt and pretending it's theirs?

The people of Ancient Egypt were not semites.

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: And when you do, don't forget to answer these questions!

We will get to your questions soon enough.

(09-06-2019 06:02 PM)the ollie reed fan club Wrote: I've also learned that after claiming to not be a Leftist he is in fact a rabid leftist. I know this because he's going with that funky movement started around the 1950's where we want to separate out race with ethnicity, shoot he'll probably deny ethnicity exists next as well.

"Race" does not exist.

(09-06-2019 10:39 PM)Warlord Wrote: Asks Warlord where the Jews were 4000 years ago, warlord tells him and then he asks where the Jews were 4000 years ago!!

I'm looking for the evidence that places "Israel" in the historical record 4000 years ago. I have yet to see any. Maybe you can provide some for us..

***the ollie reed fan club*** · 09-07-2019, 08:08 PM

Answering questions by asking questions is a pretty lame debate technique. Just sayin.

***Nay_Sayer*** · 09-07-2019, 10:06 PM

(09-07-2019 08:08 PM)the ollie reed fan club Wrote: Answering questions by asking questions is a pretty lame debate technique. Just sayin.

This isn't a debate..

***the ollie reed fan club*** · 09-07-2019, 10:11 PM

(09-07-2019 10:06 PM)Nay_Sayer Wrote: This isn't a debate..

You're right about that. It's a one sided demolition and I don't think War has even gotten out of second gear yet.

***Nay_Sayer*** · 09-08-2019, 11:01 AM

(09-07-2019 10:11 PM)the ollie reed fan club Wrote: You're right about that. It's a one sided demolition and I don't think War has even gotten out of second gear yet.

Well, maybe War can get into second gear and provide for us the evidence which places Israel in the historical record 4000 years ago. So far, his first gear has been all about nonsense and circular reasoning...